and then for governor romney, he's only been coming -- is a thin resume for a presidential candidate in the sense that one term governor and a typical state where he had no, you, almost no support in the legislature didn't really run on much of an agenda, change things and messages, take over for republican governors. is the toshiba was a health care bill which i just seem like a good idea at the time to him. so i don't think it's the right situation to the olympics is about a copper by. business i agree with john isn't culpable. in a funny way it harder to anticipate to me at least what they're white house administration will look like in 2013. that it may would normally be the case if a bob dole or jon mccain or bill clinton, these are people of been in office a long time either innocent or governorship, i think one had a sense of how their strengths and weaknesses. i'm not sure either case you that we now. and the question is i suppose the campaign, what have we learned from the campaigns. i'll think about that for a minute and let bart -- i think it is an interesting question in